Marina Mayer, Katie Date & Jo Ann Dizy discuss money - why women need to stop working for free; their initiatives for change; & the importance of collaboration.

384: Show Me The Money: Why Women Need To Stop Working For Free

In today’s episode of Women In Supply Chain™, we’re doing things a little differently. Instead of featuring one woman in supply chain, we’re featuring three – and talking about a topic that affects us all.

Money. Or, for women, the lack of money!

How many hours have we, as women, put towards ‘free’ work? Maybe it’s saying yes to too many speaking engagements for ‘exposure’? Or maybe we start a meetup with free membership because we want to make an impact and do right in the world?

Then comes an expectation from the community that we should do everything for free. And that expectation comes with big consequences. Consequences we just don’t talk about. Until today.

I’m joined by Marina Mayer, Katie Date, and Jo Ann Dizy to dive into their personal experiences of driving change for women; the importance of collaboration; why money is a taboo subject; and so much more.

So come on: SHOW US THE MONEY!





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Supply & Demand Chain

This year, we received over 400 submissions for our Women In Supply Chain™ award, the highest amount of applications not only for this award but also for all of our awards. What’s more, 118 of those applications were submitted by male counterparts, nominating their boss, co-worker, or associate. Last year, that figure was just at 75. Also this year, 39 women self-nominated, a tremendous uptick from last year’s award, which just saw 12 self-nominations. This shows progress. This shows hope that one day, we won’t need an award like this because men and women in the supply chain will be equal,” says Marina Mayer, Editor-in-Chief of Food Logistics and Supply & Demand Chain Executive. “While there’s still more work to be done, what we’re doing is working. That’s why this award is so important to Food Logistics and Supply & Demand Chain Executives. From truck drivers to CEOs, what these winners are doing matters to the future of all supply chains. What these female leaders, entrepreneurs, and supply chain professionals are doing continues to push the needle toward excellence, and every year, I feel blessed to celebrate these wonderful women of logistics. And we’re doing just that at this year’s Women In Supply Chain™ Forum, set for Nov. 14-15 in Atlanta. Go to www.WomeninSupplyChainForum to register and learn more. We’re all better together. Collaboration is key to promoting and supporting Women In Supply Chain™.

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[07.42] An introduction to today’s guests Marina Mayer, Katie Date, and Jo Ann Dizy.

[08.47] Why Katie founded the MIT Women In Supply Chain™ Initiative; the impact it’s had; and how she learned the importance of conversation and connection.

“I joined MIT in 2014 and quickly realized something that I probably always knew – there aren’t many women sitting at the table when you’re talking about supply chain.” Katie

[13.17] Jo Ann discusses her ‘Growth Circles’ initiative; its role in industries with few women; and the importance of creating supportive communities.

“We wanted to provide women with an opportunity to build community, network, work on their personal and professional growth, advance their careers – and support other women doing the same thing.” Jo Ann

[16.32] Marina’s experience of launching the Women In Supply Chain™ awards and forum; and what she’s learned along the way.

“The women were craving it, they were needing that safe space, that place where they could latch onto other women and learn.” Marina

[19.48] Why Sarah launched the Women In Supply Chain™ podcast and blog series; how it has inspired women in the industry; and why those experiences led to the creation of The Secret Society of Supply Chain.

[22.22] The group discusses whether women are their own worst enemies, and highlights the urgent need for greater collaboration between women.

“There’s a culture of competition… and sometimes we need to set that aside and realize we’re better together. If two stars shine in the sky, they’re going to provide twice as much light, it’s not that one needs to shine and the other doesn’t.” Katie

[28.56] The panel discusses whether or not women support each other enough; the myths and stereotypes around women; and how organizations and individuals can create more opportunities for women and celebrate their accomplishments.

“We’re not competing with our services and values, we’re competing for people’s time, attention and money, so if we can cross-promote, we can amplify everybody’s programs… A rising tide raises all boats.” Jo Ann

[36.42] The group reflects on why money is often a taboo subject for women and the importance of being vulnerable.

[42.04] The panel discusses why women work for free; the dangers of undermining and devaluing women’s contributions; and the difference between volunteering for non-profits and working for free for for-profit.

“We believe that we’re supporting each other by doing things for free for each other, we have good intentions. We’re also, conversely, afraid of being judged or criticized if we bring up money. And we end up devaluing our own skills and contributions.” Jo Ann

[49.27] The group reflects on the importance of setting an expectation when it comes to paying women fairly; the pay gap consequences of working for free; and the importance of negotiation.

“Don’t stop at no, and just keep going.”

[54.46] From making recommendations to engaging on social media, the group discusses what we can all do to support women in the industry and move the needle.

“Part of the problem that a lot of women have, is that they have all of this potential, but they’ve never had anyone encourage them.” Katie

[01.00.43] The panel put the spotlight on a selection of resources and key groups that are making an impact on women.

[01.03.46] The group summed up their thoughts and key takeaways from the discussion.




You can connect with Marina, Jo Ann, or Katie over on LinkedIn.

If you’d like to hear more from Marina, check out 245: Women In Supply Chain™, Marina Mayer. And if you want to dive deeper into the conversations discussed in this episode, listen to 165: Blended – The Gender Equation.

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